Comments on: How Many Apps Will There Be In iPhone App Store? http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/ Simon Brocklehurst's Technology Blog Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:14:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Asam Bashir http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-412339 Asam Bashir Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:31:55 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-412339 Yeah, think this is part of Apple disinformation strategy before announcements on Monday, building up the publicity hype machine - lot of confusion already created by exact form-factor as there are rumours of 2.8" screen vs 3.2". In above patent, "[0142]Examples of other applications 136 that may be stored in memory 102 include other word processing applications, JAVA-enabled applications, encryption, digital rights management, voice recognition, and voice replicatione. " Not sure iPhone 2.0 has processor powerful enough for voice recognition, though it does depend on engine used.. Yeah, think this is part of Apple disinformation strategy before announcements on Monday, building up the publicity hype machine - lot of confusion already created by exact form-factor as there are rumours of 2.8″ screen vs 3.2″.

In above patent,

“[0142]Examples of other applications 136 that may be stored in memory 102 include other word processing applications, JAVA-enabled applications, encryption, digital rights management, voice recognition, and voice replicatione. ”

Not sure iPhone 2.0 has processor powerful enough for voice recognition, though it does depend on engine used..

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-411862 simon Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:35:23 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-411862 As described in the patent, it looks on the surface to be a bit crippled. That is, it seems to be concerned with enabling playing of multimedia content (e.g. video), rather than enabling Safari to properly deal with RIAs. As described in the patent, it looks on the surface to be a bit crippled. That is, it seems to be concerned with enabling playing of multimedia content (e.g. video), rather than enabling Safari to properly deal with RIAs.

]]> By: Asam Bashir http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-411226 Asam Bashir Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:14:02 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-411226 Flash and Silverlight, but no Java, 3G/OS X iPhone 2.0 specific patent: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080122796&OS=20080122796&RS=20080122796 "[0779]In some embodiments, user interfaces 4000A-4000F include the following elements, or a subset or superset thereof: [0780]402, 404, 406, 3902, 3906, 3910, 3912, 3918, 3920, 3922, as described above; [0781]inline multimedia content 4002, such as QuickTime content (4002-1), Windows Media content (4002-2), or Flash content (4002-3); " Flash and Silverlight, but no Java,

3G/OS X iPhone 2.0 specific patent:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080122796&OS=20080122796&RS=20080122796

“[0779]In some embodiments, user interfaces 4000A-4000F include the following elements, or a subset or superset thereof: [0780]402, 404, 406, 3902, 3906, 3910, 3912, 3918, 3920, 3922, as described above; [0781]inline multimedia content 4002, such as QuickTime content (4002-1), Windows Media content (4002-2), or Flash content (4002-3); “

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410822 simon Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:46:43 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410822 @Asam, yes - that's another interesting category of app. Mac users have, I think, historically been better at paying for small apps that have PC users. @Asam, yes - that’s another interesting category of app. Mac users have, I think, historically been better at paying for small apps that have PC users.

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410802 simon Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:37:48 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410802 Roger, it's 1,700 not 17,000. You're right, of course about the VC group... it's Kleiner-Perkins - I'll edit it. Don't know why I wrote Sequoia! It was KP that said they'd had over 1700 requests for funding iPhone apps. They have decided to fund two so far (well, one was a already an investment before the iFund started), and are apparently looking at another ten. More on the ones they've funded here: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2008/tc20080526_465550.htm Very few of the apps in App Store will be suitable for VC funding. I expect the number of applications KP has had reflects that most of the developers just don't understand venture capital. You're right that there will be multiple downloads per person, per company. It's Apple that's promoted the 300,000 SDK downloads as being a meaningful number, not me ;-) Roger, it’s 1,700 not 17,000. You’re right, of course about the VC group… it’s Kleiner-Perkins - I’ll edit it. Don’t know why I wrote Sequoia!

It was KP that said they’d had over 1700 requests for funding iPhone apps. They have decided to fund two so far (well, one was a already an investment before the iFund started), and are apparently looking at another ten. More on the ones they’ve funded here:

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2008/tc20080526_465550.htm

Very few of the apps in App Store will be suitable for VC funding. I expect the number of applications KP has had reflects that most of the developers just don’t understand venture capital.

You’re right that there will be multiple downloads per person, per company. It’s Apple that’s promoted the 300,000 SDK downloads as being a meaningful number, not me ;-)

]]> By: Asam Bashir http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410787 Asam Bashir Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:33:13 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410787 You'll also see free apps that can be upgraded to pro versions, a very common model for many excellent and successful Mac OS X apps. Lot of examples of very high quality apps using this model in jail broken installer apps... You’ll also see free apps that can be upgraded to pro versions, a very common model for many excellent and successful Mac OS X apps. Lot of examples of very high quality apps using this model in jail broken installer apps…

]]> By: Roger Nolan http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410770 Roger Nolan Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:26:08 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410770 Where did you get the 17000 figure from? I've not seen much information on the iFund progress at all. You should also remember that each developer will have downloaded the SDK multiple times (there have been several bears, not to mention new installs, multiple downloads per devshop etc. On top of this, most of the apps - especially the larger ones that need venture funding will not be finished when the App Store launches. Note that it is KPCB managing the iFund, not Sequoia. Where did you get the 17000 figure from? I’ve not seen much information on the iFund progress at all.

You should also remember that each developer will have downloaded the SDK multiple times (there have been several bears, not to mention new installs, multiple downloads per devshop etc.

On top of this, most of the apps - especially the larger ones that need venture funding will not be finished when the App Store launches.

Note that it is KPCB managing the iFund, not Sequoia.

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410712 simon Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:19:15 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410712 I think it will be interesting to see how the ecosystem develops. For example, what proportion of the apps in the App Store will be zero cost? How many will be premium priced? etc. I think it will be interesting to see how the ecosystem develops. For example, what proportion of the apps in the App Store will be zero cost? How many will be premium priced? etc.

]]> By: Asam Bashir http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2008/06/05/how-many-apps-will-there-be-in-iphone-app-store/#comment-410600 Asam Bashir Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:51:41 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=453#comment-410600 Should see lots of quality apps produced by big software houses that have been working with Apple, but after official opening, it will take a few months for the rest of the applications that are available now for jail broken devices to move over to official distribution. Think 1,700 - 300,000 is far to high a number going from number of apps available with installer on jail broken devices - 100 official apps to start with, then a few thousand over the next months would be a good start. On Mac it's never been about quantity, it's more about quality. Like 90% of Windows apps would be rubbish, but on Mac side that would be more like 10% apps. Don't expect to see a model like Java, where 99% applications are rubbish and 1 % are actually useful and get used regularly and not just installed for a day then forgotten about.... Should see lots of quality apps produced by big software houses that have been working with Apple, but after official opening, it will take a few months for the rest of the applications that are available now for jail broken devices to move over to official distribution.

Think 1,700 - 300,000 is far to high a number going from number of apps available with installer on jail broken devices - 100 official apps to start with, then a few thousand over the next months would be a good start. On Mac it’s never been about quantity, it’s more about quality. Like 90% of Windows apps would be rubbish, but on Mac side that would be more like 10% apps. Don’t expect to see a model like Java, where 99% applications are rubbish and 1 % are actually useful and get used regularly and not just installed for a day then forgotten about….

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