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1. My Vote for Java6 on leopard-13949712720901FOROSX « Codeitch- a non coders attempts at writing code on 06 Nov 2007 at 11:41 am

   [...] I came across this internet campaign to cast a vote for Java 6 on leopard. [...]

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1. henry story wrote:

   To get the real number you can’t just look at the estimated number on the first page of search results. Those are “estimated” because the large search engines – and I know I worked at AltaVista – try to spare every cpu cycle they can. So they only give you an estimate back.

   To get the full count one way is to try to go to the last page. There may be other tricks that to force a count.

   So for example Google search currently reports 434 results, but if I try to get to page 14

   http://www.google.com/search?q=13949712720901ForOSX&hl=en&pwst=1&start=140&sa=N

   the result is 137 pages.

   The blog search on google is also interesting because it will tend to have less duplicates.

   http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=13949712720901ForOSX&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d

   currently I get 58 blog posts there.

   The number is probably somewhere in between that and the google search number.

   Anyway: get voting out there! you can make a difference!

   Posted 05 Nov 2007 at 2:56 pm ¶

2. D wrote:

   I did my duty !
   13949712720901ForOSX

   Posted 05 Nov 2007 at 5:29 pm ¶

3. simon wrote:

   Henry – you’re absolutely right about the search engine results. I will ammend how I report the stats at the next update…

   Posted 05 Nov 2007 at 6:35 pm ¶

4. henry story wrote:

   Yes, the number has slowed down quite dramatically after the weekend.

   Some explanations:

   – There are not that many people who are both java developers and bloggers. ( any numbers there? )
   – A lot of Apple Java developers are convinced that Apple is going to be releasing Java 6 soon
   (If Apple does not, I do predict a resurgence of blog posts on this)
   – Some people don’t blog, they just adjust their purchasing decisions. So managers in certain roles will
   just not buy Apple for their developers.
   – The message was not clear enough – in that case feel free to post better blogs with the same message

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 3:32 pm ¶

5. M wrote:

   Good idea. But, what the heck getting new tires (tyres) on your “911″ has to do with a Vote for Java 6 on Leopard post is beyond me.

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 4:08 pm ¶

6. simon wrote:

   Well, “M”, I don’t know who you are, but I guess there are many, many things that are beyond you.

   First, this blog is for people that know me, as well as people that don’t. Not everything I write is going to be relevant to you. Feel free to ignore the parts that don’t apply. In fact, feel free to ignore the blog completely if you don’t like it.

   Second, I had thought, given that Macs are so popular with Mac OS X market share going through the roof, that the numbers on this campaign were going to be accelerating rapidly. So I thought I was going to have to sample a lot of data points to capture the growth curve. I was trying to let people know I would be afk for a while. How wrong I was about the campaign growth rate though!

   Third, in Britiain, we spell the word tyre t y r e. Given that we invented the English language, I think we’re entitled to spell our words they way we like.

   Fourthly, if you don’t like any of the above, feel free to go fuck yourself

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 4:21 pm ¶

7. simon wrote:

   Henry, here’s my guess…

   I suspect it’s that there aren’t many Apple developers in general (certainly less than a million in total world-wide), and of those Apple developers that there are, relatively few use Java.

   And of those that use Java, most have been long-term users of Java on Mac OS, and so know that Apple will likely release Java 6 in due course.

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 4:29 pm ¶

8. henry story wrote:

   There is one further explanation. Of the developers on OSX, a large portion must have succumbed to signing some NDA or other. So they may not feel so comfortable speaking out.

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 8:23 pm ¶

9. simon wrote:

   Yes, that’s true – Apple does require every developer that signs up to the ADC to agree to non-disclosure of information.

   I will say, though, that Mac OS X developers I speak to privately really aren’t too concerned – they’re confident that Java 6 will be released in due course. The last test report I had, there were more than a few issues that still had to be fixed – so some work still to do to get Java 6 working well.

   Leopard development seems to be continuing apace – there’s a Leopard 1.1 developer preview out already which seems notable for the inclusion of proper ZFS.

   Posted 06 Nov 2007 at 8:32 pm ¶

10. henry story wrote:

    Well it’s been picking up today again. I count 12 more blog posts…

    Posted 08 Nov 2007 at 9:30 pm ¶

11. simon wrote:

    Yes! The biggest numeric increase is actualy on regular Google web search… Do you have any idea why that is? That is – is it Google indexing better than Yahoo or Live? Or is it that Google is worse at removing near-duplicate pages i.e. near-identical content at different URLs? Or something else?

    There’s no doubt that are real differences between Google, Yahoo and Live.

    Posted 08 Nov 2007 at 10:01 pm ¶

12. henry story wrote:

    We are at 105 now on google groups. Which is not bad btw, if you compare it to the other bugs on the Java Bug database.
    It certainly makes it into the top 25 bug list:
    http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/top25_bugs.do

    Posted 19 Nov 2007 at 7:31 pm ¶

13. cbare wrote:

    Nov 30th. Google says:

    Results 1 – 10 of about 48,100 for 13949712720901ForOSX.

    Take that Steve Jobs!

    Posted 01 Dec 2007 at 1:17 am ¶

14. simon wrote:

    cbare, the actual number of results in Google is currently 288. Notice Google says “about 48,100″ i.e. it’s an “estimate”… and not a very accurate one

    Posted 01 Dec 2007 at 9:28 am ¶

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