Comments on: HP To Lose Customers Yet Again Over Sun’s Niagara http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/ Simon Brocklehurst's Technology Blog Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:42:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-106053 simon Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:06 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-106053 Yes, of course you're right about the proprietary stuff James. I don't understand who on earth at HP thinks taking this kind of line helps their business. It's a pity. HP makes pretty good hardware, and I would actually consider buying it, if they didn't put out this kind of rubbish... It's fundamentally dishonest; and I prefer not to deal with dishonest people and businesses. The point is - if HP is dishonest about this, I think the chances are high that they would be dishonest in other areas too e.g. try to mis-sell me equipment. I am interested in suppliers that add value to my businesses (which, I must say, Sun really does); not subtracting from it. Yes, of course you’re right about the proprietary stuff James. I don’t understand who on earth at HP thinks taking this kind of line helps their business.

It’s a pity. HP makes pretty good hardware, and I would actually consider buying it, if they didn’t put out this kind of rubbish… It’s fundamentally dishonest; and I prefer not to deal with dishonest people and businesses.

The point is - if HP is dishonest about this, I think the chances are high that they would be dishonest in other areas too e.g. try to mis-sell me equipment. I am interested in suppliers that add value to my businesses (which, I must say, Sun really does); not subtracting from it.

]]> By: James C. McPherson http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-106004 James C. McPherson Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:51:56 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-106004 Of course, the other aspect of HP's press release that rankles is calling SPARC a "proprietary, niche architecture" -- it's definitely not proprietary (prior to www.opensparc.net and licensing the verilog for it under GPLv2, there was www.sparc.org ie SPARC International) and nor is it niche with more than 1 million SPARC cpus sold since its first launch. Sure, that doesn't match amd64, i386 or em64t sales... but I'll bet you a pallet-load of donuts that it's more sales than all the Itanium sales ever! More FUD from people who cannot compete. Sad, really. Of course, the other aspect of HP’s press release that rankles is calling SPARC a “proprietary, niche architecture” — it’s definitely not proprietary (prior to http://www.opensparc.net and licensing the verilog for it under GPLv2, there was http://www.sparc.org ie SPARC International) and nor is it niche with more than 1 million SPARC cpus sold since its first launch. Sure, that doesn’t match amd64, i386 or em64t sales… but I’ll bet you a pallet-load of donuts that it’s more sales than all the Itanium sales ever!

More FUD from people who cannot compete. Sad, really.

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-105056 simon Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:06:19 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-105056 Sun's product roadmap is indeed looking interesting these days (hardware and software). I suspect the takeup of Niagara 2-based servers is going to get pretty significant, pretty quickly. There is just so much incredible stuff people will be able to do with these boxes. Sun’s product roadmap is indeed looking interesting these days (hardware and software). I suspect the takeup of Niagara 2-based servers is going to get pretty significant, pretty quickly. There is just so much incredible stuff people will be able to do with these boxes.

]]> By: Mr X http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-105002 Mr X Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:36:07 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/08/08/hp-to-lose-customers-yet-again-over-suns-niagara/#comment-105002 Funny - I thought HP's strapline was 'Invent' - not less scare customers aware from breakthrough inventions! Bottom line is with Niagara Sun have a pretty much unique offering in the market place - currently niche ( high volume web serving ) but as you say the new offerings and the road map really are starting to look impressive. Sun have stepped back - looked at the problem of scalability in the server room and are really starting to deliver some impressive, market leading products. Funny - I thought HP’s strapline was
‘Invent’ - not less scare customers aware from breakthrough inventions!

Bottom line is with Niagara Sun have a pretty much unique offering in the market place - currently niche ( high volume web serving ) but as you say the new offerings and the road map really are starting to look impressive.

Sun have stepped back - looked at the problem of scalability in the server room and are really starting to deliver some impressive, market leading products.

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