Comments on: Prediction for 2008 - The Return Of The Java Applet http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/ Simon Brocklehurst's Technology Blog Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:56:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Eric http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-455933 Eric Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:22:43 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-455933 There has recently been released a very promising new UI framework for developing java applets (or RUI Java applications), which is a nice alternative to Swing. Declaritive XML ui definition, rich set of widgets, similar to Swing but much easier to use: https://pivot.dev.java.net/ It's open source too. There has recently been released a very promising new UI framework for developing java applets (or RUI Java applications), which is a nice alternative to Swing. Declaritive XML ui definition, rich set of widgets, similar to Swing but much easier to use:

https://pivot.dev.java.net/

It’s open source too.

]]> By: Joachim http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-127061 Joachim Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:56:06 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-127061 I don't think the comparison between Flash and the Java plugin is fair. If I have a 64bit OS (like I do at work), there exists the 64 bit JRE and JDK, but none of them comes with a 64 bit plugin, so I am forced to use a 32 bit version of a product, if I want the plugin, even though a 64 bit version of it exists. With flash, whether the plugin is 32 or 64 bit doesn't make a difference. You can actually get around it by installing the 64 bit Java system wide and having a local 32 bit copy of Java just for your browser, but the installation of such a configuration requires quite some effort for a non-technical user. Could Sun include the 32 bit plugin with the 64 bit JRE and JDK? I don’t think the comparison between Flash and the Java plugin is fair. If I have a 64bit OS (like I do at work), there exists the 64 bit JRE and JDK, but none of them comes with a 64 bit plugin, so I am forced to use a 32 bit version of a product, if I want the plugin, even though a 64 bit version of it exists. With flash, whether the plugin is 32 or 64 bit doesn’t make a difference.

You can actually get around it by installing the 64 bit Java system wide and having a local 32 bit copy of Java just for your browser, but the installation of such a configuration requires quite some effort for a non-technical user. Could Sun include the 32 bit plugin with the 64 bit JRE and JDK?

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-122247 simon Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:00:56 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-122247 Joachim, 64-bit plug-in support will come with Java 7. It's definitely needed. However, I can't agree with you that this is the key to success of Java in the browser. Why? Because 64-bit desktop OSes are not widely deployed compared to 32-bit OSes. It's worth noting that Adobe doesn't have support for Flash in 64-bit browsers; and that hasn't held Flash back, has it? Joachim, 64-bit plug-in support will come with Java 7. It’s definitely needed. However, I can’t agree with you that this is the key to success of Java in the browser. Why? Because 64-bit desktop OSes are not widely deployed compared to 32-bit OSes. It’s worth noting that Adobe doesn’t have support for Flash in 64-bit browsers; and that hasn’t held Flash back, has it?

]]> By: Joachim http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-122239 Joachim Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:22:27 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-122239 I don't think it matters how much Sun fixes Java for its next release, if they are going to continue shipping their product without a 64 bit plugin for the browsers running on 64 bit OS, Java is never going to make it in browsers. In this day and age, that is unacceptable. Check http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695 its the most voted and oldest bug filed in Sun's java bug tracker. Since Jan 2003!! And they have yet to fix it. I don’t think it matters how much Sun fixes Java for its next release, if they are going to continue shipping their product without a 64 bit plugin for the browsers running on 64 bit OS, Java is never going to make it in browsers. In this day and age, that is unacceptable. Check http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695
its the most voted and oldest bug filed in Sun’s java bug tracker. Since Jan 2003!! And they have yet to fix it.

]]> By: Francis http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-109006 Francis Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:34:01 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-109006 I personally do agree with the prediction of 2008 being the era of the return of the Applet. As one other blogger said, with the increase in the use of broadband connections, soon download speeds will be a thing not to contend with. Applet development is also switching gradually from using Applets as a graphical presentation tool like flash. Its more about functionality and usabilty. I know 2008 will the starting point with several powerful applets rolling out. And just to say, its quite easy to convert Swing Desktop apps to Applets these days and this makes it all the better. Cause you get the power of Swing in a browser. I'll be making my own contributions to this revolution in the coming year as much as possible. I personally do agree with the prediction of 2008 being the era of the return of the Applet. As one other blogger said, with the increase in the use of broadband connections, soon download speeds will be a thing not to contend with.

Applet development is also switching gradually from using Applets as a graphical presentation tool like flash. Its more about functionality and usabilty. I know 2008 will the starting point with several powerful applets rolling out. And just to say, its quite easy to convert Swing Desktop apps to Applets these days and this makes it all the better. Cause you get the power of Swing in a browser.

I’ll be making my own contributions to this revolution in the coming year as much as possible.

]]> By: Carl http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-68243 Carl Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:28:04 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-68243 My prediction is that the killer app will be a user-friendly platform with the ability for others to enhance it after it is deployed (auto-authoring turned on) --a living program if you will. Ideally, this platform could be deployed as a server or stand-alone. JavaFx is perfectly suited for this... The only thing that comes close was HyperCard --you can find out all about it in WikiPedia. My prediction is that the killer app will be a user-friendly platform with the ability for others to enhance it after it is deployed (auto-authoring turned on) –a living program if you will. Ideally, this platform could be deployed as a server or stand-alone. JavaFx is perfectly suited for this…

The only thing that comes close was HyperCard –you can find out all about it in WikiPedia.

]]> By: Marc http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-59575 Marc Sat, 26 May 2007 17:18:34 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-59575 I completely disagree about Swing not being hard to use. Yes it is easy if you’re an experienced Java developer. However most web developers are more familiar with HTML and CSS (they’re not programmers!), so while Swing most definitely offers great power and is a lot quicker (you can put stuff in separate threads and keep the GUI responsive) I think HTML based widgets, and unfortunately Flash will dominate for some time to come. I personally think Java Applets are the most underused technology on the web. Thinkfree.org is perhaps the best advert for what a Java Applet can do, forget Google Docs, which seems to be dubbed as a threat to Microsoft, that makes me laugh. The stability of Applets is also an issue. Although it can be done with JavaScript, I have crashed FireFox/IE when testing unfinished applets. I’ve never had a Flash app crash my browser. On the other hand, with tools like NetBeans you can just about get away with using Swing with minimal knowledge, but I’d still argue for the majority of web developers who are used to the web browser handling things like scrolling etc for them, Swing is a challenge. Java FX from what I have seen seems to be a step in the right direction I have never programmed in Flash. I don’t like it on web sites, but who would have guessed Flash becoming the revolution is has for delivering video content? What happened to the Real Player/Windows Media Player wars? Adobe seem to come from nowhere to win that one I completely disagree about Swing not being hard to use. Yes it is easy if you’re an experienced Java developer. However most web developers are more familiar with HTML and CSS (they’re not programmers!), so while Swing most definitely offers great power and is a lot quicker (you can put stuff in separate threads and keep the GUI responsive) I think HTML based widgets, and unfortunately Flash will dominate for some time to come. I personally think Java Applets are the most underused technology on the web. Thinkfree.org is perhaps the best advert for what a Java Applet can do, forget Google Docs, which seems to be dubbed as a threat to Microsoft, that makes me laugh. The stability of Applets is also an issue. Although it can be done with JavaScript, I have crashed FireFox/IE when testing unfinished applets. I’ve never had a Flash app crash my browser.
On the other hand, with tools like NetBeans you can just about get away with using Swing with minimal knowledge, but I’d still argue for the majority of web developers who are used to the web browser handling things like scrolling etc for them, Swing is a challenge.
Java FX from what I have seen seems to be a step in the right direction I have never programmed in Flash. I don’t like it on web sites, but who would have guessed Flash becoming the revolution is has for delivering video content? What happened to the Real Player/Windows Media Player wars? Adobe seem to come from nowhere to win that one

]]> By: paulo http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-50346 paulo Wed, 16 May 2007 02:50:39 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-50346 The only thing i'm interested is the "coming" of the java webstart. If it wasn't so incredibly difficult to deploy it, it would kick applets ass half way to the moon. The only thing i’m interested is the “coming” of the java webstart. If it wasn’t so incredibly difficult to deploy it, it would kick applets ass half way to the moon.

]]> By: simon http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-48298 simon Sun, 13 May 2007 09:00:13 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-48298 Jim, The Java Kernel work (where a minimal runtime is downloaded, and other parts downloaded as needed in the background) is part of this, yes. Jim, The Java Kernel work (where a minimal runtime is downloaded, and other parts downloaded as needed in the background) is part of this, yes.

]]> By: Jim http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-48285 Jim Sun, 13 May 2007 08:49:28 +0000 http://www.psynixis.com/blog/2007/05/09/prediction-for-2008-the-return-of-the-java-applet/#comment-48285 is this about the java kernel? is this about the java kernel?

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