Comments on: iPhone Analysis Part 2 - Not Closed For Sure

By: simon

simon — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:00:08 +0000

Steve,

I agree that iPhone needs, “apps and developers”. And I agree that Java isn’t needed as much as the iPhone needs to be open. So, if Apple were to let developers build iPhone apps using Objective-C, that would be great. Objective-C is a fine language.

But, you know, the Java thing really isn’t about “insecurities and self-doubt”. Not sure why you would think that. No, it’s about applications.

There are well over a billion Java-enabled devices deployed currently; and 80% of new mobile devices have Java. I don’t agree that there aren’t any devices like iPhone in the Java world. iPhone is unique (for the moment) only in that uses a gesture-based user interface.

So, there’s a huge volume of Java ME code out there, making use of a multitude of Java standards for interacting with phone features and hardware. This code could be rapidly ported to iPhone if it had Java ME and the relevant JSRs… meaning lots of choice of apps for iPhone owners…

By: Steve

Steve — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:37:07 +0000

Why do we need Java on the iPhone???

I really don’t think the world will miss it. There’s no device like this in the Java world, so what knowledge are you going to bring forward to help you develop your apps? You’re going to have to learn a new set of class libraries anyways.

Let go of Java, use Objective-C (I’m sure this will be the preferred way). The world doesn’t need Java on an iPhone, what it needs is apps and developers who aren’t afraid to let go their insecurities and self-doubt and do something a little different.

By: simon

simon — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:19:43 +0000

Asam, I don’t think OS X widgets on Macs and iPhone are the compatible. Clearly, Apple has built a little widget platform for iPhone, but I doubt it’s the same one that the Mac uses.

I don’t know for sure - just how it looked to me - that’s why Apple only had two iPhone widgets ready to go.

By: Asam Bashir

Asam Bashir — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:17:04 +0000

Yah, I still got my top secret killer java app idea - n now I got the hardware to go with it

By: Asam Bashir

Asam Bashir — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:07:19 +0000

Java SE 6.0 Release 1 Developer Preview 6
Java Platform, Standard Edition 6 Release 1 is based on JDK 1.6.0_b88 and brings enhanced functionality to Java applications.

By: Asam Bashir

Asam Bashir — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:03:57 +0000

http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/dashcode.html

all those apps in iPhone, like the weather are just Mac OS X widgets, identical to ones already in Tiger….

By: Asam Bashir

Asam Bashir — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:00:33 +0000

All they need to do is add an OS X pluggin to the existing Xcode development platform..

By: Asam Bashir

Asam Bashir — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:57:25 +0000

developer forums there..

By: MyMicroISV » iPhone - Open or Closed?

MyMicroISV » iPhone - Open or Closed? — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:17:00 +0000

[...] According to this report, the decision has not been made. If you know any Apple exec’s now is a good time to ring their bell about this, or at least join this petition. Do you as developer want an open or closed future? [...]

By: simon

simon — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:37:24 +0000

Well, it wasn’t Steve Jobs So, from that perspective, no they wouldn’t really know, would they?! I would say it’s pretty good information though. If I had to put a percentage on the accuracy, I would say there’s probably a greater than 70% chance of it being on the money.